Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: This show is not a substitute for professional counseling and no relationship is created between the show host or guests and any listener. If you feel you are in need of professional mental health and are a UA student, we encourage you to contact the UA Counseling center at 348-3863. If you are not a UA student, please contact your respective counties crisis service hotline or their local mental health agency or insurance company. If it is an emergency situation, please call 911 or go to your nearest emergency room.
[00:00:45] Speaker B: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the BAMA Balance Podcast. Real stories about college men's mental health. And today we're going to dive into kind of the topics of faith and spirituality. We really, we were trying to think of like a way to kind of like waltz into it. We couldn't really think of anything, so we just decided, hey, let's just jump right into it.
[00:01:07] Speaker C: We'll dive into it. It's something that we've been talking about or at least an element of what we've been talking about for the last few episodes anyway, in terms of reliance on faith or reliance on spirituality.
And in reflecting back, we thought, well, that's something faith and spirituality is something that we really, really haven't focused on or given much time to talk about and discuss.
And so we realized, well, let's set aside some time today to talk about it and I think it'll be a good, rich discussion. What do you think, Brooks?
[00:01:47] Speaker D: No doubt this is one of those things that I was blessed enough to be brought up with good faith and, you know, have, have good spirits in my mind about stuff. And I think this is one of those things that keeps me consistent throughout the year no matter what's going on and when tough times do come. This is something that I, that I rely on within myself to basically act as a corrector and a guider. I know we were talking about that earlier, so I'm really excited to see how this goes, but.
[00:02:21] Speaker C: Yeah, me too, me too. One of the things that I know that has made me continue to be interested in this is that spirituality and faith, I think play an important part in a person's well being overall.
And that I think that there are few opportunities where as students and certainly as, as college men, we have very little opportunity to really kind of talk about it and give voice to it, at least in sort of maybe more public settings or even large or smaller group settings. And so even though we might know that it's present and important for each of us, we don't know the degree to which it's important and the degree to which it plays a part in our lives and certainly the degree to which it plays a role in college men's mental health. One of the things that we know know from our assessment of student well being here at the university using our Alabama model of health and well being is we've looked at the different dimensions around that model, looking at academic well being, financial, psychological, physical and spiritual well being is one that is also included in that model. And since 2019, we've been using that model to assess our students well being to get a sense of how our population is doing.
What we found has been that overall well being has increased over the years, which is a good thing.
But when we take a look at each of those dimensions, what we found has been that spiritual well being has been significantly different for men and women on this campus, such that women tend to evaluate themselves with a higher level of spiritual well being than our men on campus. And I thought that was pretty curious. And that might be kind of a starting point for how we talk about spirituality and faith and religion today. I think it's an important thing to talk about and it could be rewarding when too.
[00:04:42] Speaker D: Yeah, no doubt. I think that's very interesting, those facts you just shared.
So I'm excited to dive in.
[00:04:49] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. So we'll. We'll take a break there, but we'll be right back with y' all with the BAMA Balance Podcast. Real stories about college. Wow. College man's mental health. And we'll dive deeper into our faith and spirituality discussion after this break.
[00:05:25] Speaker D: Wvuafm Tuscaloosa.
[00:05:27] Speaker A: This show is not a substitute for professional counseling and no relationship is created between the show hosts or guests and any listener. If you feel you are in need of professional mental health and are a UA student, we encourage you to contact the UA Counseling center at 348-3863. If you are not a UA student, please contact your respective counties crisis service hotline or their local mental health agency or insurance company. If it is an emergency situation, please call 911 or go to your nearest emergency room.
[00:06:12] Speaker D: All right, we're back. Segment one. Dr. Perez, you just left us with some pretty cool facts right there that women around campus in the wellness department have ranked their spirituality higher than men. And as we were talking about this in the break, I couldn't even really pinpoint a reason as to why this is. I think it's pretty interesting to see that there is a difference and especially due to the fact of men, you know, Having a lot of struggles that they have to keep inside and how they fight their mental health is a lot different than women.
So I think this is pretty interesting.
What do you, what do y' all think?
[00:06:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I, I think if I had to guess, I would say it probably goes along with the fact that one like mental health, as we've talked about before, oftentimes requirements requires people to be vulnerable. And that's just something men struggle with more. They're less likely to be vulnerable, less likely to be open. And I think in a lot of ways faith especially, you know, I think in a lot of ways the Christian faith requires one to kind of humble themselves and say, hey, I don't have the answers. I can't do this alone. Like, and that's just hard. Sometimes it's hard to. Because we want to feel like we can control things and that's in every aspect of life.
[00:07:38] Speaker C: Sure.
[00:07:39] Speaker B: So I think that there's kind of a correlation there between like the being open to, to under, like to admit where your mental health is not maybe the best where it could be, or the same, like a parallel to understanding that faith requires some sort of relinquishing of control. Because I mean, you know, faith brings in the whole new aspect of the world and it being something like outside of our just individual existence to a very higher level than anything we could come up with on our own.
[00:08:21] Speaker C: Right. Spirituality and faith are very, it feels very personal, doesn't it?
[00:08:25] Speaker B: Yes, absolutely.
[00:08:26] Speaker D: Personal relationship.
[00:08:27] Speaker C: That's right. And it feels very, very personal. Very.
I don't want to say secretive, but something that isn't often shared.
[00:08:37] Speaker B: It's sacred.
[00:08:38] Speaker C: Sacred. Sacred and secretive in some way. Right. It's something that's oftentimes again personally shared or openly shared, except maybe with the most trusted of groups, trusted of friends and communities.
And it's one of those elements in life that has come to be known as important to a person's well being, whether or not we think of it as spirituality, which is a greater sense of being in the world or an existential purpose and meaning of life, how one makes meaning of life to maybe more specific elements of faith and religion. Right. So I think, you know, those, all those concepts, all those elements are very personal and they're also very different from person to person.
[00:09:35] Speaker D: Exactly. I do want to jump on that, as you said, Edward, talking about vulnerability and that sort of thing.
And Dr. Perez, I think you mentioned something about there being people on different paths and different steps in their journey to this, you know, faith spirituality.
Last year I Was blessed enough to be in a freedom group, which is basically just like a small group.
And it was about 11, 12 guys and different backgrounds, different paths.
One of my good buddies led us through this, and throughout that we learned that vulnerability is a strength. Honestly, if you can be vulnerable to talk about this type of thing. And when those problems do arise, I mean, there were times where I got prayed for on stuff that I could. I just couldn't quite grasp or stuff I wanted to better myself in. So I do think that's very interesting how different people can be on different spots in their journey. But as a whole, you know, we can, we can make one and help improve each other and take care of each other.
[00:10:40] Speaker C: What was that experience like for you then, Brooks?
[00:10:42] Speaker D: That journey, it was definitely life altering for me personally, which I, as I said earlier, I was blessed enough to come from great parents, great, great family, had a strong background within church.
But it's. To me, it was kind of when I, when I came here and I was alone, owned by myself, you know, that's when you have to take it on your own hands.
Your parents can't push you to go to church anymore, which I never had a problem with.
But your relationship kind of becomes yours. And you have different circumstances that surround you and different people, right? Different action you have to see from week to week.
And I just think it's an important thing for the world, right? Especially after, you know, all the events last week and all. Like, I mean, we've got to love them one another no matter what our background is.
[00:11:35] Speaker B: So sure, I think I'll echo a lot of that. I'm, you know, come from a similar background in the sense of growing up in the church. And you talk about life altering. Like, I think about how much of a constant it is, like faith and spirituality.
I think there's so much randomness in our lives already. Just being college students trying to figure out how to be adults, like all these different things.
But having this kind of constant, like community, this constant figure is huge because it, you know, like you said, like with your life group, it was people you could go to.
Like that kind of, that kind of faith centered community, like, for me as well, has been huge because it allows me to have people I can lean on and rely on with it being. There's no judgment, there's no, you know, there's accountability. But, but it's, it's, like I said, it's that constant. It's that never changing. It's no matter what I, no matter what I do Here, I'm going to do that. No matter what goes on there, that will always be here.
[00:12:45] Speaker C: Sure.
[00:12:46] Speaker B: So having that, I guess that, like, safe harbor is just kind of huge.
[00:12:53] Speaker C: I think having a faith community that you can sort of rely on and be a part of.
Right. When someone asks you or, I don't know if you've been asked this, but if you were to explain to someone or talk with someone about, you know, the difference between spirituality and faith, and if they were to come to you to say that they see themselves as deeply spiritual, but they don't necessarily have a particular faith tradition that they follow, how would you. How would you reply to that? What would you say to them?
[00:13:39] Speaker B: I think. I mean, obviously it's very similar. You know, like, it's not something that.
Those are two very different things, but that doesn't mean they're not alike in any way. I think somebody would say I'm spiritual, but I don't necessarily ascribe to a faith. I think.
I think it just. That kind of.
It shows that a lot of the times like faith and spirituality tugs on people, and people feel called to a certain way of life, and they're just trying to figure that out, and they don't know what that looks like for them yet, but they know, hey, I think they believe in things beyond what we can see, and they are cognizant of the fact that the.
There's just kind of more to life than a very. It's a very unmaterial lens.
And in a lot of ways, it's maybe that recognition of, you know, hey, like, I do think that, you know, I'll find help mentally with, you know, spirituality and then maybe one day faith. But I think it's just. It's that longing, but it's not necessarily like ascribing to a certain belief.
[00:14:49] Speaker D: I. I agree exactly with what you were saying.
I do think that, you know, with them comes both, you know, with one comes another.
[00:14:58] Speaker C: Right.
[00:14:59] Speaker D: Spirituality is one of those things to me, that. That's yours, you know, but faith, I mean, people can have faith for numerous different reasons. You can have faith in yourself.
You can have faith in the Alabama football team.
But I did write down a Bible verse as we were sitting right here out of my freedom book, the back of it, and it was 2nd Samuel 22:33. It is God who arms me with strength and makes my way perfect.
So that right there just tells me, you know, with spirituality and with that verse, and if you believe that verse like I do, there's your. There's your way, there's your strength.
You. All the faith that you could possibly ever need.
So there's no reason to doubt.
[00:15:43] Speaker C: Right, right, right. So it sounds as if that. That spirituality and faith kind of go hand in hand. That spirituality, again, is maybe this greater sense of how to make sense, not only how to make sense of the world, but how to drive a greater meaning from life. And life's purpose and faith rests on, you know, particular traditions or beliefs within that faith that help guide you towards that.
That meaning or help direct you towards life's meaning or life's purpose. Is that, Is that sort of it, you think?
[00:16:24] Speaker D: Yeah, I mean, I agree. I think, like I said, one comes another. Yeah, I think they. I think they very closely tie into one another, and I think they're pretty close. So that'll be it for segment number one. We'll be back for segment number two to continue talking about faith and spirituality.
Wvuafm, Tuscaloosa.
[00:17:03] Speaker A: This show is not a substitute for professional counseling, and no relationship is created between the show hosts or guests and any listener. If you feel you are in need of professional mental health and are a UA student, we encourage you to contact the UA Counseling center at 348-3863. If you are not a UA student, please contact your respective county school crisis service hotline or their local mental health agency or insurance company. If it is an emergency situation, please call 911 or go to your nearest emergency room.
[00:17:48] Speaker C: Welcome back, everybody. This is the Bama Balance, and the second segment will pick up a little bit from where we left off the last segment and realizing that spirituality, faith, religion, there's so much there to kind of talk about and realizing that we're probably only scratching the surface of a lot of this stuff.
And during our conversations during the break, one of the things that came up for us were thinking about the impact of spirituality and faith in our lives in particular.
Have there been times when faith and spirituality has been difficult for you or sort of difficult to sort of come to grips with or attend to?
[00:18:47] Speaker D: Yeah, I think my. For me personally, my. My freshman year was probably a tougher year for me as far as just. I mean, you have so much going on and, you know, you've got football games on Saturdays. You don't want to wake up early on Sunday.
But that's one of those things I look back on and, and especially towards the end of freshman year, I started thinking to myself, you know, I. I really should probably fix this.
And, and I'm glad. I'm super Glad I did, got back on track.
That's just one of those things that I. I felt kind of. Kind of just empty without.
And I wouldn't say my mental health was in the greatest spot freshman year.
Probably made some, you know, just decisions that I shouldn't have as far as, like, you know, do I sleep in or do I go to church?
But it's one of those things I look back on now and gives me a great reason to, you know, wake up, go. You know, that wants, you know, wake when. When I pray up, when I wake up, you know, say a prayer, like that sort of thing.
But other than my freshman year, I feel like I've done a pretty good job of it these. These past few years, you know, just. Just knowing what I want.
But yeah, I guess those. Those trying times came and I kind of fell to him a little bit. But I'm back now. I'm very happy that I am.
[00:20:16] Speaker B: So, yeah, I relate a lot to that empty feeling, I think, like freshman year for me, but really the second semester of freshman year and then going into fall of my sophomore year was like, when I was kind of like, I need to, you know, I need. Things need to be different. Especially like, you know, growing up, you just kind of have. You go to church, but like Brooke said earlier, like, when you're on your own, it's harder to be motivated to go. And I think, you know, second semester, my freshman year especially, I just was not plugged in anywhere, and I didn't really pursue that. And I felt the. It's the burden of that.
Not that I felt like I was going to let anyone down by not going, but, well, other than myself. But I felt like every, you know, my. I had the wrong. I was going after, like, the wrong things. I had, like, my purpose was. Was off.
And then you, you know, you.
You start to feel certain ways, and it takes a toll on your mental health. And you're like, what's the issue? And then I kind of realized, well, I know what the issue is.
I needed to be plugged in. I needed to kind of be present in a faith community. And so I.
I kind of bounced around places freshman year. But then I told myself, okay, I'm going to stick with. I'm going to stick with this place, and I'm going to make an effort to really be a part of this community and then really make an effort to. To. To kind of grow spiritually at a deeper level.
Like I talked about last segment with it being that constant, you know.
You know, first Semester of sophomore year was really difficult, but I think I saw the way I responded to things then, as opposed to the semester previously, and I saw the difference, and I saw where I was. And even though, like, there were. I was certainly anxious and angry and all these different emotions, like, in both, but the response to them, the relief from them just came in different ways.
[00:22:18] Speaker C: How did you. How did you find your way to that, Edward?
[00:22:23] Speaker B: To.
[00:22:24] Speaker C: To that realization?
Sorry.
[00:22:27] Speaker B: I think it just. It came down to, you know, I was. I mean, I love. I love Alabama. I love being here. Like, I don't want to be anywhere else, but when I was getting towards the end of the semester and I weirdly wanted to go home, I was like, I'm tired.
[00:22:43] Speaker D: I'm.
[00:22:44] Speaker B: I'm feeling like I didn't want to leave college, but I just wanted the semester to be done.
And it felt like I was in a spot where I just was aimless, like I said. Like, there was just no direction. There's no purpose.
And then when I. When I kind of shifted, my focus shifted back to kind of the core of what I believe, I felt that purpose again, and I felt that. That discipline and that focus. And it's. I mean, it's still, you know. Yeah, it's still difficult sometimes, even today. Like, it's been a. Been a longer one today. But, you know, like I said, the response is different.
[00:23:25] Speaker C: Right.
[00:23:25] Speaker B: The way I react to things is different. And it's trying to continually, continuously be that better version of myself that I feel like I can only do through my faith.
[00:23:37] Speaker C: Through your faith. It's so interesting to me, and as both of you were talking, that it's even more clear to me now the role that spirituality and faith have in a person's mental health.
And for college men who may struggle with issues related to mental health, how would you go about even talking with them as it relates to their ideas around faith or spirituality?
[00:24:14] Speaker D: My favorite thing that I've ever been told is that it's a choice you make every day.
And that goes for so many things. You know, I mean, we talked about making up your bed last week. You know, that's just a choice you make to win the first thing in the day. But, I mean, having a good relationship with the Lord, to me, is making the choice every day that you're going to better yourself and live at the foot of the cross.
Because I believe that I owe that. You know, it's only right.
But, I mean, everybody's circumstances are so different, and we talked about that earlier.
This is One of those things that I feel like for us, it may be easier for us to listen to somebody and then give advice because there are so many different circumstances and so many ways that you could give advice on this topic or help somebody through it.
But, I mean, I think it all just comes back to the choice you make every day. You know, yeah, you wake up on Sunday and go to church, but are you gonna. Are you gonna live for the glory of God Monday when you wake up if you don't make that choice?
So I think it's a constant reminder, and that's how I see it in my head.
[00:25:28] Speaker C: There's so many ways, too, right, that. That a person can express their spirituality through. Through so many different faith traditions or religions that. That, you know, sometimes it might be part of the journey to help define what that faith tradition is for them, if it fits. Right. Or what that spirituality is for them that sort of guides them through life. It really, you know, to me, strikes at spirituality and faith being one of those elements that shape your true north.
Right. Because, you know, as much as we've talked about what that true north is in terms of values and other elements, one of the things that we haven't specifically talked about is how spirituality and faith can be a part of that for those who desire it.
And I think it's something that is, again, that many college men don't have an opportunity to talk about or believe that they can talk about.
And is that, I guess, in terms of spaces where college men can talk about that, where does it.
Does it feel like it's something safe to talk about, or what's your impression of that?
[00:26:58] Speaker D: I feel like it's always safe to talk about. Personally, I can definitely see where some people would. Would struggle to open up.
And, you know, that's a lot of what we have to deal with as men. You know, there's curiosity of, can I open up about this, or do I need to open up about this? But in reality, like, it's not gonna hurt, right? The only thing it's gonna do is help.
[00:27:19] Speaker C: Right?
[00:27:21] Speaker D: So, I mean, if I give any. I mean, just reach out. You know, there are people that'll love to us, and. And even if that person doesn't know anything about the topic, it may. It may change their life too.
I mean.
[00:27:35] Speaker C: Yeah, right. Just kind of reach out. How would you go about.
Like, not encouraging, but how would you go about conveying yourself as someone who's open to those discussions? Particularly maybe from someone whose spirituality or faith tradition might be different than your own.
[00:27:56] Speaker B: I mean, I think it just kind of having, just being open of like. I don't want to say posture is not the right word, but if you can like have any control over the demeanor you give, just one being, just trying to be friendly, trying to in anything let people know that like you're intentional with your conversations. And you also don't, don't shy away from opportunities to, to bring like, to bring it up. People ask, you know, like, what do you do?
Like what, what's part of your routine? Like what? Like just asking you about like basic things and be honest. Say, hey, yeah, I got, you know, get up, read my Bible or this or that. And I think just kind of the more you talk about it as it, like as the more you speak about it as you would anything else in your life as just it being a natural part of like what you do. As natural as eating, as natural as sleeping, as natural as anything else. Like people see the openness there.
[00:28:58] Speaker D: Very well said. I feel like when you live, you know, for that reason you just radiate a certain type of joy.
I think I can personally tell, you know, those people and bad days come, you know it's going to happen.
That's one of those things that I use as a guideline and a corrector, you know, let's get back on track. Let's, let's lock in and you know.
Very well said though. I really like that.
[00:29:27] Speaker C: It's a good barometer of kind of how on track I am with my own guiding principles.
Again, this is. There's just so much we haven't yet talked about and that we could talk about and don't know that we'll have all the time in the world to even completely delve into some of the things that we'd love to dive into.
But hopefully we can wrap things up a little bit for now and then maybe explore where else to take this topic of spiritual well being in further episodes. But hang on, we'll come back with our last segment. This is the BAMA Balance.
[00:30:29] Speaker D: Wvuafm Tuscaloosa.
[00:30:32] Speaker A: This show is not a substitute for professional counseling and no relationship is created between the show host or guests and any listener. If you feel you are in need of professional mental health and are a UA student, we encourage you to contact the UA Counseling center at 348-3863. If you are not a UA student, please contact your respective counties crisis service hotline or their local mental health agency or insurance company. If it is an emergency situation, please call 911 or go to your nearest emergency room.
[00:31:17] Speaker B: So we have reached our outro segment for the Bama Balance podcast on faith spirituality for today's topic. And really, as we were talking in the break, I mean, there's just so many things that you can go into with. With.
With this topic. I mean, like, it. It branches off in so many different ways. You could have a million different discussions. And even though I'd say, like, in the room, we all kind of have similar experiences, there's still so much to talk about within those experiences. So I, you know, I don't even know where to go from here.
[00:31:50] Speaker C: No. And I would imagine that there are others whose spiritual and faith journey is also different, and we don't even know half those stories. And it would be great to hear some of those stories if you all want to give us a shout out on our Instagram and DM us there at the Bama Balance. But again, not knowing where to go or really how to even completely talk about this topic is something that hopefully has been useful to this point. We realize that there is such a depth of conversation yet to be had.
[00:32:30] Speaker D: I'll be the first to say that we need to do something.
[00:32:32] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:32:33] Speaker D: Something else on this topic.
Super important.
[00:32:38] Speaker C: And there's just so, again, like, a depth of conversation and experience that we have yet to touch on. I'm really grateful we had this conversation again. It's something that we've mentioned. We've mentioned spirituality, We've mentioned faith as part of other topics so far and even.
Probably even last season, too.
But really taking the time to. To talk about what spirituality, what faith means to us, how do we experience it, and for college men, what role does it have in their lives? And again, I know that we've only touched superficially on that. It seems like when there's more to. More to explore, I think that, you know, looking down the road, what. What sorts of things would you. Would you all be interested in or other aspects of spirituality and faith related to men's mental health?
[00:33:40] Speaker B: I mean, I think I'd be interesting to hear from someone who has a different faith.
[00:33:47] Speaker C: I think that'd be, like, their journey.
[00:33:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Just like how. Like what? You know, because, I mean, we have the way. The way we do things and.
[00:33:57] Speaker C: Right.
[00:33:58] Speaker B: But I mean, it should be really cool to hear from someone else in that aspect. And again, like, this could we could also just say we're gonna talk about faith and spirituality again and not have, you know, be as broad as we were today and have a completely different discussion.
[00:34:12] Speaker C: Right.
[00:34:12] Speaker B: You Know, it could. Yeah, it could always be something that there's a different element that you could add to it.
[00:34:19] Speaker C: Correct.
Yeah.
[00:34:21] Speaker D: I think also, like, I mean, I go to Church of the Highlands, but like I was talking about earlier, having somebody like Joe or somebody come on just about how he's seen his program won the college ministry on Tuesdays grow, that they've had to, you know, open up two times on Tuesday nights. Obviously, there's a big movement going on within college students across the nation.
I've seen all about it, heard all about it, and I think Joe, you know, has a. Probably a good testament to what happened within this community, as I'm sure many of the other youth pastors do around. But I think something like that would be pretty cool too.
[00:35:01] Speaker C: And Brooks, Joe is just as a real quick.
[00:35:05] Speaker D: Joe Williams is the campus college, campus pastor at Church of the Highlands, right across the bridge.
[00:35:14] Speaker B: So.
[00:35:15] Speaker D: And one is on Tuesday nights, it's church service. There's 6 o' clock time and 8:30 time.
[00:35:20] Speaker C: And so I think what's maybe been evident, I don't know if it has been expressly evident, is the fact that I think the three of us come from Christian traditions.
And so I think it would be really insightful, again, as you said, Edward, as well, to have someone who can also share their spiritual and faith tradition from a different perspective. That is not.
That's different than kind of a Christian perspective because it's so much richer.
And I know when that's. When that has happened to me, when I've shared, you know, my faith and spirituality with someone of a different faith and spirituality, I learn what I don't know. And I grew stronger. Not only my faith, but I grow a greater appreciation and depth of thankfulness for others. Faith, tradition and spirituality.
It helps me understand the world a.
[00:36:23] Speaker D: Little better to go along with that. I know we talked about earlier how everybody's on different paths.
There are so many people that have different opinions. And I think that would make us maybe almost appreciate more, you know, what. What other people's thoughts are and to have a better understanding of, you know, this mental health thing doesn't just affect one, one type of people.
Like, there's numerous types of different backgrounds and stories within people's lives that, you know, go through the same struggles as we do.
[00:36:57] Speaker C: Exactly.
[00:36:58] Speaker D: But I would encourage all, you know, the newcomers, especially freshmen, that to find your place in Tuscaloosa. There's no chance, no, no reason to wait, especially when you're coming in like all these churches, you know, they'd love to have you.
[00:37:14] Speaker C: Right.
[00:37:15] Speaker D: That's one of those opportunities you should just take and, you know, feel your way out. I know you said that Edward said that he went to a few different churches and how to find his home, whereas I went to the Church of the Highlands back home. Sorry.
[00:37:28] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:37:29] Speaker D: I'd have a spot, but I mean, there's so many churches that would love to have you. Romans 8:18 says, I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. I think that's another thing to keep noted in those dark times.
Mental toughness.
[00:37:48] Speaker C: So Church of the Highlands represented here. Saint Francis University Parish represented here.
[00:37:54] Speaker B: Church of the Oaks.
[00:37:54] Speaker C: Church of the Oaks. There you go. There you go. And so with that.
[00:38:01] Speaker B: This has been the Bama Balance Podcast. Real stories about college men's mental health. I'm Edward Fountain.
[00:38:06] Speaker D: I'm Brooks Barbary.
[00:38:07] Speaker C: And I'm Dr. Tony Perez. We'll see you all next time.
[00:38:29] Speaker D: WVUAFM, Tuscaloosa.
[00:38:32] Speaker A: This show was not intended as a substitute for professional counseling. Further, the views, opinions and conclusions expressed by the show hosts or their guests are their own and not necessarily those of the University of Alabama. It's offered officers or trustees any views, opinions or conclusions shared on the show. Do not create a relationship between the host or any guest and any listener, and such a relationship should never be inferred. If you feel you're in need of professional mental health and are a UA student, please contact the UA Counseling center at 348-3863. If you are not a UA student, please contact your respective county's crisis service hotline or their local mental health agency or insurance company. If it is an emergency situation, please call 911 or go to your nearest emergency room.
